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Man if I had a nickle for every time a PM asked me to violate user privacy for the purposes of making a slide that will be shown to their boss for 2.5 seconds I'd probably make enough to actually retire someday.

There's obviously misuse and abuse in the world, but telemetry from production systems out in the wild is incredibly useful for all kinds of decision-making. It's silly to dismiss it outright.

Some of it, yes. But not the kind that's put in place so the clueless Joe who used to do copy-writing 3 years ago can keep their high salary because they decided to join the proverbial "IT".

I read an article speculating that Ternus was up next in I think wsj and it sounds like a good decision but obviously time will tell. I've been super disillusioned with Cook for years now, I just hope Ternus's approach isn't just more of the same, and that he actually works to innovate/improve the apple ecosystem.

Hell I'd KILL for them to just take the time to make Homekit like 10% better.


I think this is probably not very tin-foil, but I do believe the rumors we were hearing about Cook retiring and Ternus stepping in were less leaks and more intentionally preparing markets for the inevitable transition.

I don't think that's a crazy idea. The media plays a huge part in companies of this size and they definitely have people who think about these sorts of things. Not sure how necessary it'd be though, like they could probably get the same result by just doing what they were gonna do anyway.

Things aren't only bad if they're illegal. There's plenty of bad things one can do that are perfectly legal, and plenty of good things one can do that are totally illegal.

It's not clear to me that causing "financial damages" to the person described is even a bad thing.

If you prevent your grandparent from getting scammed, you've caused financial damages to the scammer.


And there are legal remedies to create deterrents without a court. Boycotts, journalism or new competition.

Boy have I got news for you about the availability of drugs in modern days

The thing is the drugs are known to be drugs. Back then "patent medicine" could be whiskey, could be Dr Pepper, could be cocaine.

Or Arsenic - it really cures what ails you - you won't be bothered by whatever it was you were complaining about before.

Since most of the people here who seem wary about how their donation is getting spent, I have a feeling that "mostly on devs" probably won't cut it for them, though I assume it's true. Have you considered doing any sort of year end cost reporting where you show percentages of what money went where? If it's going where you say it is I think making that information transparent would be a free win. (I know there would be some level of effort constructing the report but I also have to assume you already have reports like this internally)

> Have you considered doing any sort of year end cost reporting

That very much exists, and is issued yearly.

Consolidated Financial Statements 2024-2023:

https://stateof.mozilla.org/pdf/Mozilla%20Fdn%202024%20-%20A...

Expenses in Software Development (2024):

> 290,448,000

Total Expenses (2024):

> 588,215,000

Ryan Sipes, if you can read this, everybody online remembers the 2020 Servo team lay-offs, and the juxtaposition of the C level compensation.

If you are serious about winning back donors and trust:

- Allow for a transparent breakdown of expenses on things like external consultancy and also C level compensation

- Allow financial ring-fencing of donations. Such that my donation can only finance Firefox devs or Thunderbird devs. (Not teams, not products, not managers/VPs/Directors just developers. Everyone else's compensation should come from corporate donations or other means)

I love Firefox and Thunderbird, use both everyday, was also a yearly donor up to 2020 (now I just donate to Archive.org and KDE).

You have great products that people love but if you are serious about gaining back trust you need to show judicious spending on the top side of the org. Justifying it with we need to spend money to get fundraisers doesn't pass the community test.


That's Mozilla-wide and includes the Mozilla Corporation and other entities.

We have 2023-2024 reporting via these two links:

https://stats.thunderbird.net/#financials

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2024/10/thunderbird-annual-repo...

We need to update the ratio for 2025, but it shouldn't be dramatically different.


would be nice to have the personnel costs further split up I suppose

You cannot simultaneously increase the percentage of donations going to directly paying "just developers" while decreasing the percentage going to admin costs. Who will be responsible for implementing this ring-fencing of donations, if not precisely the non-developers you'd like them to spend less on?

We still need to produce a big report like this for 2025. But you can find MZLA specific info for 2024 and 2023 via the below links:

https://stats.thunderbird.net/#financials

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2024/10/thunderbird-annual-repo...


I mean, their damn phone keyboards are so bad I'm 100% confident that Tim only does voice to text on his phone. There's no way that the CEO of a company could use a keyboard that horrible and not want to fix it.

It’s SO bad. It makes me not want to use my phone anymore and physically go get my laptop if I’m chatting/messaging someone.

It’s probably the worst typing experience I’ve had since resistive-touch screens on PDAs. At least with them you could still type what you intended to though, just slowly.


The behavior of the iOS keyboard also showcases how there must not be many decision-making people who communicate in multiple languages.

If Tim used speech to text we’d be at least testing SotA local voice models in the iOS betas

Starting to wonder what he DOES use. I guess just the cameras since they seem to be the only things that change.

He's a gazillionaire, he has people to interact with phones for him

But how to become a 2-gazillionaire, or even reach 3 gazillion, without feedback loops?

I guess it doesn't matter, or not enough to forfeit competing opportunities. If we deal with bugs so they could build the Neo maybe it's OK.


Most of my issues were fixed when I disabled swipe to type. Not all, but most.

I've heard this advice before and I've tried it, and I really didn't notice a difference. I also, unfortunately, use swipe to type a lot. If I'm typing one handed I'm pretty much always using swipe. Sure it barely works, but that's the same as if I was typing normally so feels like a wash.

Keyboard works fine. Always has. iPhone just has so many users that there's going to be a plethora of passionate unpleasable nerds for every single facet of it. Even in your ideal virtual keyboard version, there was an army of people complaining that it wasn't a hardware keyboard.

No it doesn’t.

It did work fine before. But I had to swipe 3 times to get “fine” instead of “going” just now


Fine fine fine seems to be working fine with swipe and normal, idk dude, maybe y'all are just aging ungracefully

I’ve never really disliked the keyboard. I’m not entirely sure what they’re talking about. That being said I’ve never used swipe to text so maybe that factors in, or never having had a smartphone other than an iPhone.

If you had ever used Swype on Android (it was only briefly on iOS, and wasn't as good as the Android version yet), you would understand how good keyboards could be 10-12 years ago. Perfect precise cursor placement. Cut, copy, paste, and select shortcuts. It was not perfect, but it was rapidly getting there.

Microsoft bought and killed it without, apparently, learning from it. Maybe there was a good reason why, but I've never seen one.


This is misinformation, please provide sources to your claims. The iOS keyboard degraded in the latest versiond.

https://www.macworld.com/article/2952872/heres-proof-that-th...


Source, my thumb typing this flawlessly with one try.

keyboard's fine

no macro support is not fine for me but wouldn't want grandma to have it so hmm


Nice strawman, and unnecessary attack. I'm using iPhones since the 3GS, and from time to time type on an Android and the keyboard on iOS _sucks_. As someone else wrote, I am loathing to chat with someone on the phone and rather switch to my laptop.

Nice appeal to been using the phone for long time, but i waited in line for the original so you’ll have to defer to me

okay.

In case anyone else is going crazy trying to find this setting, it’s called slide to type

AHH thank you!!

This, along with circle to search (for translating, mainly) are the current main things pushing me to stay on Android.

Why are you paying money for something that you find so terrible when there is a perfectly good alternative.

Life is too short to waste is using junk you don’t enjoy.


Whats the alternative? Android not, because it's absolutely not perfectly good

In my experience iOS 26.4 did largely fix it btw. Update if you haven’t already.

I'm on 26.4 on a brand new 17 Pro Max, recently upgraded from a 13 Pro Max, and I have noticed absolutely no difference in the keyboard. It's still awful.

But then you'd have to upgrade past 18, meaning the liquid glass abomination.

was only dumb for a month or few, now that it's max blacked out as best it can be I can redirect my focus... and be annoyed by the STUPID hiding bottom menus like in Photos.

Literally ZERO times did I complain I was missing seven pixels of "real estate", thanks Apple, love the extra tap to see what I need

(to be clear, only sign on iOS 26, NOT macOS 26)


Do you believe that boycotting is a new behavior?

A long and storied history, the abolitionists used it pretty extensively well before it was named: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Boycott

They know nothing changed. They want to pretend otherwise.

I could be misremembering but I believe the guitar center waiting period isn't _just_ to make sure it's not stolen (I kind of doubt they're actually doing anything like an investigation) but also because legally their used equipment side of business has to operate like a pawn shop, in that they aren't allowed to sell something they've "bought" until after the window for the pawner to buy it back expires.


I'd like to know what planet you live on where a single time over the last 50 years a company has done one solitary thing that was good for the consumer without having the gun of regulation against their head.


Protecting your site from bots and scraping is absolutely hilarious considering how you acquired (read: stole) the data you trained your bot on dude.

Just yank that ladder up behind you.


> Just yank that ladder up behind you.

You would be an irresponsible entrepreneur if you didn't. Don't forget your legal obligation to maximise shareholder value.


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